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Why does Diageo keep raising the price of a pint?

The multinational raised the price of its beer products again this week, but why?

INTERNATIONAL DRINKS GIANT Diageo has once again raised the price of its beer products.

It was confirmed this week that price increases by the London-based multinational company – which produces Guinness, Guinness 0.0, Hop House, Carlsberg, Harp, Rockshore and Smithwicks – will affect all of its on-trade beer products (those sold in pubs and restaurants).

Diageo announced that the change would add the equivalent of 6 cent to a pint and 9 cent a pint in the case of Guinness 0.0. A spokesperson put the increase down to “rising input costs”.

The Vintners Federation of Ireland (VFI), the industry body for publicans, described the increases as “a critical hit to an industry on the brink”.

It is the third time Diageo – which is also the world biggest spirits maker – has raised the cost of its beer products in Ireland in the last 14 months. 

In January 2023, Diageo announced it would be adding 12c to the price of a pint, following a similar announcement by Heineken in November 2022. In July last year, Diageo announced a second 4c increase. But why is it doing this?

TheJournal spoke to publicans, representative groups, and industry experts to find out what’s behind the rising price of a pint (Diageo gave us a statement, but no one was available for interview).

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The ever rising price of a pint

While 22c over 14 months may not seem like a lot, these are increases to wholesale costs for publicans, who then decide whether to absorb the costs or pass them on the consumers.

Usually, wholesale price increases lead to greater increases “at the pump” as pubs say they must maintain the same profit margin. As well as increases in the price of their products, pubs and restaurants say the cost of energy, rent, wages, insurance and more have also risen over the last number of years.

This has led to the price of pints in Ireland shooting up. 

According to Central Statistics Office (CSO) Consumer Price Index, the average cost across Ireland of a pint of stout was €5.64 in February this year, up from €5.40 the same time last year, and €4.90 the year before that. In February 2020, before the Covid-19 crisis, an average pint of stout cost €4.67.

A pint of lager, meanwhile, cost €6 in February, up from €5.88 in 2022 and €5.33 the previous year. Pre-Covid, the average cost was €5.06.

Of course, these are average prices. In some places you might get a pint for cheaper, in many places – like Temple Bar in Dublin – you will pay a lot more.

temple-bar-dublin-ireland Temple Bar in Dublin has some of the most expensive pints in the country. Alamy Stock Photo Alamy Stock Photo

Publicans have said that the latest rise of 6c could see further “at the pump” increases of around 20c when they come into force in April.

As things stand, a publican pays €175.95 for a 50l keg of Guinness from Diageo. As of 15 April, this will rise to €181.23. There are about 88 pints in a keg, though some are inevitably lost due to waste and spillage.

Taking the new higher rate, the cost includes €133.87 base price and €47.36 excise duty. The Government charges excise on alcoholic drinks based on unit of alcohol. 

This means that, including taxes, come April a pub will be buying a keg of Guinness at a cost of about €2.06 per pint (up from €2). The pub then adds its mark up and pays a further 23% VAT on pints sold.

So, for example, before the price increases, if a pub in Dublin now sells a pint of Guinness for €6, that means first the VAT is €1.12 (23% of 6 divided by 1.23)

€6 – €1.12 = €4.88

Of the remaining amount, €1.46 goes to Diageo:

€4.88 – €1.46 = €3.42

Then, there is the excise to subtract. According to the Government, the excise duty on a 4.3% ABV beer (like Guinness) is 54 cent. 

€3.42 – €0.54 = €2.88

So the pub is left with €2.88 it earns per pint. However, this is before various overheads are subtracted, including staff costs, rent, insurance energy bills, upkeep, etc.  

With the increased price, if a pub continued to charge €6 a pint, they would lose some of their profit. 

In order to protect their profit margin, many pubs will factor in the additional cost, adding their margin and VAT, to be likely left charging a 15c-20c increase on top of what customers pay already.

The customer shoulders the loss again. But the VFI and many business owners say that margins are too tight already, and the rising cost of food and drink, along with everything else, are making businesses unviable with many having to close as a result (though energy costs and inflation have been dropping over the last year).

“This latest price hike is a blow they cannot afford,” said VFI CEO Pat Crotty.

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So why is Diageo raising its prices?

A spokesperson for Diageo this week put the latest hike down to “rising input costs across our Irish business operations”.

“In order to offset this, we have advised our on-trade customers that there will be an increase to the list prices on our full draught product range,” they said.

In July, Diageo said the increase was due to “rising input costs across our business operations”, while in January last year it said “significant inflation in input costs across our operations” left the company with no choice but to raise prices.

“We have absorbed these costs for as long as possible but unfortunately, we can no longer continue to do so,” the company said at the time.

But what are these input costs? And are they really all going up?

Raw materials, staff and energy (how pints are made)

Diageo, like many businesses, has faced increased costs in areas like energy and raw materials, and the company said that it order to maintain a sustainable business it must raise its prices.

Diageo plc was formed in 1997 with the merger of Irish company Guinness and British group Grand Metropolitan. The international conglomerate is present in 180 countries and has offices in about 80 countries worldwide, employing about 30,000 people. While it has an Irish division (Diageo Ireland Unlimited Company), the parent company is headquartered in London.

The company famously brews its Guinness as well as some other beers at St James’ Gate Brewery, Dublin 8, first opened by Arthur Guinness in 1759. 

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When it comes to raw materials, beer has only four key ingredients: barley, hops, yeast and water. In tracking rising costs, barley and hops are the main ingredients to follow. Yeast is grown as part of the brewing process, and these days water is a relatively fixed cost.

In Guinness, barley is by far the most significant ingredient. Two types of barley are used in the process: roasted barley and malted barley.

Guinness gets its malted barley from Boormalt, a global malting company headquartered in Belgium (but with an Irish office in Athy).

The vast majority of malted barley used in Guinness is grown in Ireland, but Boormalt has many more international suppliers. Boormalt is owned by Axereal, a huge French agricultural and agri-food cooperative group.

It is believed that the Diageo works out the price it pays for malted barley with long-term contracts, with the prices varying depending on the wholesale price of grains (also known as cereals) in Europe.

The price of grains – which are known as commodities – has indeed risen in recent years as a result of drought and poor farming conditions, as well the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, which has severely impacted global supplies. 

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According to Eurostat, in 2022 the price of cereals – including barley – shot up significantly by an average of about 45% across the EU. However, last year prices significantly fell again, dropping by 26%, and continues to fall.

The price of hops – which is used in Guinness in much smaller quantities – has also been rising. Though these increases affect Guinness less than, say, higher end craft beers, as the hops used for Guinness are of a lower quality and not as expensive.

The key ingredient in hops is the alpha acid – the thing that gives beer its bitter taste. Scientists say that hop production in Europe and the levels of alpha acid in hops are both declining as a result of climate change.

In relation to energy – the other big input cost – electricity prices rose hugely in Ireland and across Europe in 2022, but have fallen significantly again in the last year. Staff costs – including the minimum wage – have also risen recently.

Profit…

Input costs have risen, then, but up until this year so had Diageo’s profits.

In September last year, the company posted a 5% increase in its worldwide profits to £4.6 billion (€5.3 billion) for its 2023 financial year (which runs from July to June).

The company said at the time that “strategic price increases and productivity savings more than offset the absolute impact of cost inflation”, meaning that price hikes, among other measures, were greater than the impact of rising costs.

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In 2022, the company had an operating profit of £4.4 billion (€4.13 billion), up 18.2% on the previous year, during the height of the Covid pandemic when sales in Ireland and the UK plummeted as a result of lockdowns. The company’s post-pandemic profits have exceeded pre-pandemic numbers.

Diageo had already weathered the storm of rising energy and barley costs in 2022 to post significant profits. The latest price increase in Ireland comes at a time when the price of barley and electricity has fallen significantly relative to 2022. 

So why another increase?

One industry expert, with years of experience in the field (who didn’t want to be named), said that it “input costs” can potentially refer to many things.

“Energy and labour being are at least as significant if not more significant as raw materials,” they said.

But then you can look at investments. How much did they spend on capital expenditure?

In Ireland, Diageo plans to invest €200 million in a new carbon neutral brewery in Kildare. Last year, the company announced €25 million investment to ramp up production Guinness 0.0 at St James’ Gate. 

“Are they input costs? Indirectly, yes they are,” the industry professional said. 

Marketing also plays a significant role in Diageo’s business (all those great Guinness ads). In 2023, the company spent over £3 billion (€3.5 billion) on marketing worldwide, up from £2.72 billion (€3.17 billion) the previous year.

Loss

As well as all this, Guinness and beer drinkers in Ireland (and the UK) could be falling victim to their own love of pints.

Despite having posted good profits for their 2023 financial year, things have since taken a significant turn for Diageo. 

The company’s longtime CEO Sir Ivan Menezes stepped down last year, and died in June after a short illness. The tenure of new CEO Debra Crew got off to a rough start as the company’s half-year result (from July to December) showed that profits had fallen by 11%.

The drop was due to a sharp decline of 23% in its Latin America business and a smaller drop in North America sales. The company is also suffering from suspending sales and winding down its business operations in Russia in 2022 after it invaded Ukraine.

This decline in profits has spooked investors.

However, in contrast, sales in Europe grew in the same period, and sales of Guinness in Britain and Ireland have skyrocketed since the end of the Covid-19 pandemic. 

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In the same period as the decline in the Americas, net sales in Ireland shot up by 10% “primarily driven by double-digit growth in Guinness and strong share gains in the on-trade”.

However, this time Diageo said that “strong strategic price increases were more than offset by cost inflation and increased marketing investment”.

In 2022, Guinness net sales grew by 20% in Britain and Ireland, as pubs and restaurants opened back up following pandemic lockdowns.

The customer chooses

“The overall performance of Guinness post-pandemic has been exceptional,” the industry professional said.

Given years of decline, whilst it’s not in some dramatic growth curve, it’s certainly outperforming all expectations.

So, while Diageo is coming under pressure in other international markets, and has faced (now declining) inflationary pressures in terms of barley, hops, and energy, could anything else be at play?

“It’s a lot easier to take a price increase when things are going well than it is when you’re in trouble,” the professional said.

“And if they are under pressure in one market they will look to try to shore up profits in another.”

Despite Guinness being an iconic and longstanding brand that many people feel is synonymous with Ireland, at the end of the day Diageo is a massive multinational company pursuing profits.

Barley, hops, energy, international markets, currency exchange, capital expenditure, marketing costs, investor sentiment, the pursuit of profits and more all feed into the extra 20c you will pay for a pint next month (or the extra €1.20 you will pay for 6 pints).

Diageo and Heineken control much of the pub draft beer trade in Ireland, and Irish drinkers have seen significant price hikes from both in recent years. Publicans are worried that with ever-rising costs, more and more people will just decide to stay at home. 

While this will be bad for them, it could also affect Diageo’s sales. Is the company shooting itself in the foot?

“The whole thing always comes back to consumer choice and the opportunity is there for people to choose other products,” the industry professional said.

Maybe they will. But the reality is that they haven’t in the past. And that’s what Diageo are betting on.
NOTE: An earlier version of this article miscalculated the VAT, and has been amended

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 3:39 PM

    Where was the lad from Mandela’s funeral???

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    Mute Sorcha Ní Shúilleabháin
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    Sep 2nd 2018, 3:40 PM

    Interesting given that they couldn’t get someone given that there were two people signing for the crowd at Croke Park.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 3:44 PM

    @Sorcha Ní Shúilleabháin: but if you read the article you’ll notice is a specialist skill to sign for broadcast, that maybe different to what the guys in croke park itself are doing. I don’t sign so I’m unsure

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 3:54 PM

    @Sorcha Ní Shúilleabháin: they were signer on the pitch. It’s just rte are being rte.

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 1:19 AM

    @Vocal Outrage: They’re qualified interpreters. RTÉ are full of lies and bull. It’s not so difficult to do these things. If one of the workers there or owners has a deaf child, it would all be different and all equal! Guaranteed!!!

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 7:51 PM

    @Vocal Outrage: I am a part of the team who performed at Croke Park yesterday. I would like to make a clarification in light of the statements that have been issued by RTÉ and the confusion here. Between us, Senan and I have a combined experience of over 40 years of Irish Sign Language provision for broadcasting.

    RTÉ chose a criterion of only allowing a performance of the ISL version of the National Anthem in its entirety if it were recorded in-studio and broadcast on a separate channel in spite of repeated requests by members of the Deaf community to cover the actual performance and also that it be covered on the main match coverage. It would appear that RTÉ applied the rule that virtually no access to the ISL version of the National Anthem was preferable to a live on-site performance. What is particularly unusual is that RTÉ do not appear to apply the same standards to the audio performances, for example, it was not necessary to have a studio performance by a band to replace the on-site performance by the Artane band.

    The particularly upsetting thing about this is that the official ISL version of the National Anthem was developed based upon a version first performed by Senan and myself. It was refined through consultation with the Deaf community in an attempt to make Deaf people less isolated and marginalised as so well described to the Seanad by a young Deaf man when he was a student at Bishopstown Community School [I won't mention his name on this page, but his mother has commented below :) ] And now this version of the National Anthem developed with inclusion in mind is being used to exclude. These are the types of actions that have lead to the development of the Stop Hiding Irish Sign Language (#StopHidingISL) campaign.

    The GAA, to their credit, have ensured that the performance is visible using picture-in-picture on the screen within Croke Park which is exactly what the Deaf community were hoping for all along.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 3:53 PM

    Don’t they have multiple sign language people on the payroll for nucht couldn’t they use one of them?

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 4:27 PM

    They had two excellent ISL interpreters on the pitch…what are they on about!! The problem is the interpreters need to be SEEN by the members of the deaf community..it is absolutely no use for the camera just to scan over the interpreters as they do with the players and spectators. The interpreters need to be in a separate “bubble” on the screen and be visible at all times to the deaf person. Maybe RTE couldn’t get the interpreters into the studio in time to do this? If that’s the case then this article is very misleading!

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 4:32 PM

    @DeeM: saw it on Gaago

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 7:55 PM

    @DeeM: Thank you. It seems that RTÉ would only allow the performance in full if it were a studio performance, which seems strange given that it was live coverage of a sporting event.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 4:17 PM

    Maybe if they’d started sourcing a broadcast signer sooner than a few days before broadcast they might have had better luck, this just suggests that RTÉ couldn’t give a fck about the deaf community.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 4:49 PM

    I see there was some confusion in the comments section. Irish Deaf Society had just sent a statement with RTÉ ISL Signing team. Please see the statement – https://www.facebook.com/IrishDeafSociety/videos/1927746564192545/

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 7:34 PM

    Am I reading this right? The IDC are outraged that ISL is not provided for a song they cannot hear and which is a preliminary to the main event , but are happy to watch a match without hearing the commentary of the action that is actually taking place. Is this right? Please, please someone tell me I have this wrong. Thank you.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 8:20 PM

    @Marc Bryan funnily enough you don’t need commentary to enjoy a match!

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 8:45 PM

    @Antaine Ó Cáthain: Sure, I get that. A match is visual, but why do IDS require a commentary for a preliminary event which is auditory? I really just don’t get that.

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 7:53 AM

    @Marc Bryan: the official Irish Sign Language version of the national anthem was only recently established. To have it signed in full at an event of national significance is huge! The Deaf community at home deserves access on the main screen, not on a secondary channel (which is what RTÉ had offered). A small bubble in the corner of the main screen featuring the interpreter signing live from the event would have been neither costly nor technologically complex. No interpreter made themself available for RTÉ’s proposed alternative, because we do not wish to be complicit in the kind of retrogressive ‘separate but equal’ policy RTÉ seemingly deems adequate.

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 8:21 AM

    @Marc Bryan: good question. Music doesnt have to be heard through their ears. You can hear, see or feel music. Did you know Beethoven was deaf and so was dj Pete tong. They b0th can feel vibrations. Deaf can either feel it or see interpreter doing signing and body movement like jumping would meant techno or whatever and if you’re moving slowly it could mean a slow song or what have you. Also Deaf can hear a bit but needed a bit of help from interpreter with words as couldn’t follow words properly just like some would like read lyrics on their phone or anything.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 4:08 PM

    Pay them 500 thousand and no problem getting them

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 11:24 PM

    My son is the young deaf student who wrote to the senate in December asking for an ISL version of The National Anthem, this stemmed from a visit by the Lord Mayor, where the hearing students sang but sadly for my son and his deaf peers there was no version for them they are as patriotic as anyone else about their country they felt excluded, yes there are teething problems like everything new, usual signers in RTE probably don’t know the signs for the words, there needs to be better communication between RTE and the deaf community,

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 4:46 PM

    I saw a man signing the National Anthem!

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 10:22 PM

    Could they not pre record in studio and play back anytime it’s needed?

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 8:57 AM

    Irish Sign Language (ISL) was endorsed as one of Ireland’s national languages through the passing of the ISL Act last December. Whether subtitles, interpreters on another channel “do the job” – as a society that has always we have been known for our inclusive nature. We should, but particularly the national broadcaster should, celebrate and be proud to showcase A Deaf presenter signing an officially translated ‘Amhrán na bhFiann’ at key events. It doesn’t cost or inconvenience anyone. It just requires some additional planning and having an attitude of being proud of something that affects and benefits many people in Irish society. ISL is a beautiful visual language and Deaf culture is rich in its history. We should celebrate that which brings our society together – not pull it apart.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 4:40 PM

    RTE, all signtalk and no action.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 6:11 PM

    Subtitles?

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 6:58 PM

    @Rear Admiral: ISL is it’s own unique language. It isn’t a written language so subtitles won’t work

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 9:18 PM

    @Sandra: why does one need to sign a “fixed” text/lyrics when subtitles will do?

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 10:20 PM

    @Sandra: If it’s a written language, why not put it up on the big screen

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 11:57 PM

    @Oracle Steve: it’s not a written language, it’s visual. It wouldn’t have killed RTE to do a little bubble on screen or a split screen in order to show the anthem as agreed. It seems the main problem may be that none of the signers on RTEs books were suitably qualified to sign the anthem as signing to music is different to speech. Perhaps an agreement shouldn’t have been reached without first checking the outcome was possible.

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 7:59 AM

    @Sandra: RTÉ’s proposed solution, to broadcast a different interpreter signing the anthem on a separate channel, was discriminatory. Interpreters did not make themselves available because we do not want to be complicit in discrimination against Ireland’s Deaf community. As you say, a bubble in the corner wouldn’t have killed them!

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 8:00 PM

    @Sandra: As a part of the team who performed yesterday in Croke Park, I would like to clarify that Senan is indeed a presenter with RTÉ and was present on the pitch. RTÉ chose not to allow for the on pitch performance of the ISL version of the National Anthem not to be broadcast because it was not being filmed under studio conditions. In contrast, RTÉ did not require a studio band to dub over the performance of the National Anthem by the Artane Band.

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 8:14 PM

    @Darren Byrne: *RTÉ chose not to allow for the on-pitch performance of the ISL version of the National Anthem to be broadcast because it was not being filmed under studio conditions.* double negative…

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 10:50 PM

    You understand that a match is visual and doesnt require commentary to be enjoyed and understood. Great.
    And you understand the anthem is auditory, and not visual. I’m going to take a leap of faith and say you understand the deaf community struggle with auditory and not visual. You arent deaf but you saying you don’t understand why the IDS require a commentary for an auditory makes you out to be dummy.
    The camera panning around the crowd, maybe its at least nice if a deaf person may know what is being sung? Btw, thats a rhetorical question.

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 1:24 AM

    Imagine if the TV channels was full of ISL without any English spoken for hearing people to hear, but we ‘wouldn’t’ let that happen, we’d think it’d be too difficult and complicated to do that. How would you all feel?

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 11:30 PM

    My son is the young deaf student who wrote to the senate in December asking for an ISL version of The National Anthem, this stemmed from a visit by the Lord Mayor to his school where the hearing students sang the National Anthem but sadly for my son and his deaf peers there was no version for them , they are as patriotic as anyone else about their country they felt excluded, yes there are teething problems like everything new, usual signers in RTE probably don’t know the signs for the words, there needs to be better communication between RTE and the deaf community,
    but l do believe ISL will have its rightful place, at all public events and deaf people will no longer feel excluded.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 6:01 PM

    What

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 10:19 PM

    Any reason they can’t read the anthem of the giant screens at the game?

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 11:23 PM

    @Oracle Steve: Richness of life experience

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    Mute Karen Wellington
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    Sep 3rd 2018, 7:55 AM

    @Oracle Steve: a 2006 survey found that;
    The Irish Deaf Education System produced over 70% of school leavers to have ‘little to no confidence’ in reading a newspaper.
    The Irish Deaf Education System produced nearly 80% of school leavers to have ‘little to no confidence’ in writing a basic letter or even to use email.
    The Irish Deaf Education System produced over 80% of school leavers to have ‘little to no confidence’ in filling out an official form

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 8:12 PM

    @Oracle Steve: Just to clarify – the GAA showed the Irish Sign Language version of the National Anthem on screen alongside the lyrics that can be sung by the hearing spectators and well done to them on that. The focus of this article is RTÉ choosing not to show it in full.
    In addition to any potential literacy issues as mentioned by others, a great many Deaf adults in Ireland have never been taught Irish due to decisions around the education of Deaf children, so the fact that ISL is a separate and independent language from Irish and English, and that Irish and English cannot be assumed to be accessible are the reasons.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 11:18 PM

    My son is the young deaf student who wrote to the senate in December asking for an ISL version of The National Anthem, this stemmed from a visit by the Lord Mayor, where the hearing students sang but sadly for my son and his deaf peers there was no version for them they are as patriotic as anyone else about their they felt excluded, yes there are teething problems like everything new, usual signers in RTE probably don’t know the signs for the words, there needs to be better communication between RTE and the deaf community

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 11:32 PM

    My son is the young deaf student who wrote to the senate in December asking for an ISL version of The National Anthem, this stemmed from a visit by the Lord Mayor to his school where the hearing students sang the National Anthem but sadly for my son and his deaf peers there was no version for them , they are as patriotic as anyone else about their country they felt excluded, yes there are teething problems like everything new, usual signers in RTE probably don’t know the signs for the words, there needs to be better communication between RTE and the deaf community,
    but l do believe ISL will have its rightful place, at all public events and deaf people will no longer feel excluded. Ireland is an inclusive society.

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 11:30 PM

    My son is the young deaf student who wrote to the senate in December asking for an ISL version of The National Anthem, this stemmed from a visit by the Lord Mayor to his school where the hearing students sang the National Anthem but sadly for my son and his deaf peers there was no version for them , they are as patriotic as anyone else about their country they felt excluded, yes there are teething problems like everything new, usual signers in RTE probably don’t know the signs for the words, there needs to be better communication between RTE and the deaf community,
    but l do believe ISL will have its rightful place, at all public events and deaf people will no longer feel excluded

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    Sep 2nd 2018, 11:19 PM

    My son is the young deaf student who wrote to the senate in December asking for an ISL version of The National Anthem, this stemmed from a visit by the Lord Mayor, where the hearing students sang but sadly for my son and his deaf peers there was no version for them they are as patriotic as anyone else about their country they felt excluded, yes there are teething problems like everything new, usual signers in RTE probably don’t know the signs for the words, there needs to be better communication between RTE and the deaf community

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    Sep 3rd 2018, 9:33 AM

    Signing for the National Anthem??? Or for the match?? Why would you need either??

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    Mute Kevin Stanley
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    Sep 3rd 2018, 2:40 PM

    @Rob Cahill: National Anthem at All Ireland final. It is not about needs. It is about our right to access to national anthem in full like all others that RTE failed to provide

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